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Probs converting U.S. spec car lights for Germany

Where to park legally in Karlsruhe until done?

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dastdx1847
I am trying to get two US spec BMW registered in Germany.

330i (4 Door Sedan)
323ci (Convertible Coupe)

Problem is the lighting systems. BMW want to charge a minimum of 2000 Euro to convert... (they can't give a price that includes labor)

Basically the problem is that the front "park" lights are in the blinker system. And the entire lighting system is connected to the car's computer.

In Europe, according to Tuev, the blinker has to be yellow, and the parking light white.

My funds are exausted, and need a place to park the cars for a few months to rebuild cash to have the work done or ship back to the US.

Any ideas on a place where I can 'park' the cars legally?
Darkknight
You could try selling them to US Military personal. The US Military is Exempt from converting US spec cars to EU spec as part of the SOFA agreement.
They do however still need to do the standard TUV Inspections.
dastdx1847
What do the standard Tuev inspections imply? Do they just walk in and do a quick check to make sure all lights are operational and give them the inspection sticker?
KäptnKnitterbart
No, they hoist it up and take a look at pretty much everything.
dastdx1847
They didn't do that with my 2002 BMW 330i ... they only checked the light systems... but I guess they figured they already knew that it was an US spec BMW and knew what needed to be changed over. Mentioned only 3 things that it needed... two of which they could either take care of or get a waiver for. The light system they wanted changed over, but I guess they knew that it would be difficult to get done.

I still have to get my 2000 BMW 323ci inspected... I can only imagine what they want done with that one. Crazy thing I can't understand is, these cars are made here in Germany, with no after market modifications... why is this such a problem? It's a rhetorical question! cool.gif

Thanks for the comments... I'll figure out something.
Darkknight
Actually I believe US Spec BMW's are made in South Carolina.
kitkat64
Sorry, Darkknight. All BMW 3 series are made in Germany, most right here in Munich - including US spec ones. All BMW X5s and Z4s are made in South Carolina(for US and European etc markets).
Darkknight
Ah.. Thanx for the info
dastdx1847
Both cars were made in Muenchen. I open the hood of the cars and it says "Made in München". smile.gif

The craziest thing I have ever heard. "Too hard to switch the lighting system, need new lighting system, computer programming, possible taillight system, etc... ". Sounds like a lot of jibberish to make $ or ... Euro.

Greedy Pigs! mad.gif
dastdx1847
Anyone know of a trustworthy mechanic that I can hire to convert the lighting systems in Karlsruhe or nearby?
TexMunich
You're making it to hard on yourself. Go to a BMW Dealer with your VIN numbers. They will look up which headlights will fit in your car. Take those part numbers and go shopping on e-bay.

Your US Spec BMW doesn't have the ECE logo on the lights, it has the DOT logo. Make sure you confirm with the seller (a Photo is best) that they have the ECE symbol.

You cannot switch between Xenon and Halogen lights. However the car came from the factory is the type of lights you need. If Halogen you should be able to buy for around 200 Euro. The assembly includes headlights, park lights, and the turn signal.

TT Search is your friend. I've posted numerous times about how to do this car conversion - specifically BMW's.

QUOTE (TexMunich @ Jul 24 2008, 9:43 pm) *
Here's my experience. Cut & pasted from a previous post where I answered a person importing a 635i.

Port pickup:

My moving company delivered it to my doorstep so I really can't answer anything about the shipping line. The mover gave me the customs clearance form 0060 at dropoff. I ordered my insurance info ahead of time, the double white card. Then I drove it around Germany & Austria for 6 months with Texas plates. Got stopped twice by police to see if car was stolen (I guess X-5s are hot items). They looked at my International License (AAA), Insurance card and Customs form 0060. They opened the hood and got some info, probably the engine block or VIN, and ran it through a database and then let me go.

There is an outfit up in near Hamburg that quoted me 2195 Euro to get the Tuv. They told me over the phone that since I was a resident I was not allowed to drive with Texas plates. Only tourists. But I did it anyway.

I ended up doing the work in Munich. The whole process ran about 2400 Euro.

Initial TUV - 200 Euro. They go over the car to see what needs to be done.
I had to replace my Bi-Xenons and park lights, add headlight washers (Required for Xenon, not Halogen), add rear fog lights (one required but BMW computer looks for two otherwise you will always have a fault displayed), get vehicle info from BMW (50 Euro).

BMW quoted me 5000 Euro for conversion. Buying parts on e-bay and using a private mechanic I cut it down to about 1950 Euro labor & parts, it also included 280 Euro to BMW to flash the computer to Euro specs

I just got my German plates Monday. 66 Euro registration plus 23 Euro for plates. Then a bill a month later for 202 Euro for Tax.

Registration required Original Title, Customs form 0060, passport, insurance, Tuv & emissions test, and Bank account info.

Could be easier to use outfit up north. They will go to the port and pick it up for you, and then do the mods and you get it from them. The way I did it was a little more work but now when I leave I can sell it or sell the Xenons and replace with my originals. The place up in Hamburg will just get a TUV waiver no new headlights.

Company is : http://www.heimann-thiel.de/english/index.htm

The Xenon’s - here we go. Are exactly the same, except they do not have the ECE symbol. They are DOT approved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECE_Regulations#Headlamps

The TUV will look over the car and what they are looking for are Little Circles with a Block E and number inside. If it has this on the windows then windows OK, if it is on the Tires, then Tires OK, and Headlights - Not OK. BMW wanted 800 Euro for just one headlight assembly - no ballast, computer, or xenon bulb - just an empty shell.
I got mine off e-bay (Used), both - with computers, ballast, Xenon bulbs, everything for 900 Euro. They just plugged right in. Be careful on e-bay. The X-5 Xenon's ECE stamp is a paper sticker on the top of the headlight. The first pair a bought didn't have the paper. I took it by the TUV before I installed them and they said no go. Then I made sure it had the ECE paper stamp on the next pair I bought.
The Xenon headlight parking light also does not conform to German Standards. In the X-5 the headlight assembly includes the turn signal & park lights. Getting the ECE Xenon solved all these issues. I also did not have a headlight washer system. Required for Xenon in Germany. That ran 180 Euro for parts and 150 Euro for labor. If your car came from the factory with Xenon (35Watts) you cannot switch to Halogen (85Watt). Which of course you can by used for 300 Euro and does not require headlight washers.

I just got the standard plates. I went by the dealer and they gave me a pair of plate holders for free. The normal plates fit on the X-5.
At the registration office they have a variety of sizes that should fit your vehicle. You can even search an online database and get specialized plates for an extra 30 Euro.

Last the fog lights. Do you have front fog lights? I have them in my car. I had to buy, e-bay again, a new light control switch, 50 Euro (US fog lights have one button, the German ones have two buttons, front & back) Then I had to lay two separate lines to the rear of the car where the rear fog light goes. Just check out a German 635i to see where it is located. Your US 635i should be the same, you just don’t have the bulbs or wiring. Part of BMW flashing your computer will program the new light switch for fog lights.

Start looking on German e-bay. When the car arrives take it to a dealer and let them work up a quote. Say thanks and then you'll have a list of part numbers.

http://fahrzeugteile.listings.ebay.de:80/F...ListingItemList

I have the 3.0 engine with all weather tires. I got lucky there - they had the ECE stamp.

Good luck.

Richard
Mik Dickinson
Surprised that they have not mentioned the brake system as well.
TexMunich
Why would they?
Darkknight
Perhaps its different too (US/Eu Spec), and may need to be replaced
dastdx1847
QUOTE (TexMunich @ Aug 14 2008, 2:08 pm) *
You're making it to hard on yourself. Go to a BMW Dealer with your VIN numbers. They will look up which headlights will fit in your car. Take those part numbers and go shopping on e-bay.

Your US Spec BMW doesn't have the ECE logo on the lights, it has the DOT logo. Make sure you confirm with the seller (a Photo is best) that they have the ECE symbol.

You cannot switch between Xenon and Halogen lights. However the car came from the factory is the type of lights you need. If Halogen you should be able to buy for around 200 Euro. The assembly includes headlights, park lights, and the turn signal.

TT Search is your friend. I've posted numerous times about how to do this car conversion - specifically BMW's.

I don't mind doing the work myself... I'm just having a bear of a time trying to figure out which parts will work for my class car. I have tried to get the BMW dealership to just give me the information you are suggesting, but they will not release the information to me. I've searched the internet up and down and have found what I "think" will work, but to pay 900Euro for parts that I'm not sure are the right ones is hard to swallow.

The other problem I have is having a place to "park" the car for the time it is not registered. Like an idiot, I turned in the US plates before leaving the US and now simply parking the vehicles on a public street is fineable. I need a bit of time to collect the parts... which I think I've managed to get... 14 days. Not a lot of time.. escpecially 5 of those days, I'm on a business trip in another country... makes taking care of the car more difficult. I'm open to suggestions, and am even considering finding a neighbor with a private parking spot to "rent" me the spot to park the car.

If you have suggestions on where to obtain the parts, I'm open to suggestions. I know the class vehicle I have is an E46 Limosine, the other is a E46 Coupe, this is according to BMW. Beyond that, I have no idea how to obtain further information.

The things you say, seem logical and I have considered, but finding someone to help me locate the right parts is the problem I'm having. My language skills are not the best, and is difficult to communicate technically with Germans.
Darkknight
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If you have suggestions on where to obtain the parts

QUOTE (TexMunich @ Aug 14 2008, 2:08 pm) *
Take those part numbers and go shopping on e-bay.
dastdx1847
TUV made no mention of the brake system... only the lighting system... and the "Service Engine Soon" light in the dashboard, which he said could be waived for a private owner.
Bipa
QUOTE (dastdx1847 @ Aug 14 2008, 3:02 pm) *
The other problem I have is having a place to "park" the car for the time it is not registered.

Why not just rent either a garage or underground parking spaces for a month or two, or however long you will need. Throw a car cover over the car and done. For a longer term, maybe look for a barn outside of the city as a cheaper option.
dastdx1847
How do I find one? I don't even know where to start looking... sad.gif
Bipa
Start with the local newspaper ads. There are always folks advertising parking available for rent. Then there are the online options, like www.immobilienscout24.de and other sites. Immoscout is showing 6 parking place ads in the Kalsruhe area, from 20 to 50 euros. But your best bet really is to check the newspapers.

edit: you can also do a google search for "karlsruhe garage mieten"
I found this for example: (might be gone already, since ad is a little old)
Doppelparker
Preis: EUR 35,00
Anzeigennummer: 64539189
Besuche: 41

Standort: Baden-Württemberg Karlsruhe
Erstellungsdatum: 25.07.08
Garage in Karlsruhe Rheinstrasse.Ab sofort.tel 01608629705

And another one popped up at www.immowelt.de:
Doppelparker in Karlsruhe mieten 40 euros
dastdx1847
QUOTE (Bipa @ Aug 14 2008, 3:30 pm) *
Start with the local newspaper ads. There are always folks advertising parking available for rent. Then there are the online options, like www.immobilienscout24.de and other sites. Immoscout is showing 6 parking place ads in the Kalsruhe area, from 20 to 50 euros. But your best bet really is to check the newspapers.

edit: also you can do a google search for "karlsruhe garage mieten"
I found this for example: (might be gone already, since ad is a little old)
Doppelparker
Preis: EUR 35,00
Anzeigennummer: 64539189
Besuche: 41

Standort: Baden-Württemberg Karlsruhe
Erstellungsdatum: 25.07.08
Garage in Karlsruhe Rheinstrasse.Ab sofort.tel 01608629705

Thanks for the help... I will look and see what I find... EDIT: Thank you very much... very helpful in finding a place to store the vehicles. smile.gif
dastdx1847
OK... here is an update on the topic so far...

  • 2002 BMW 330i (US Spec) needs front lights switched from DOT to ECE for TUV to provide the paper needed for registration (E46 Class Vehicle)
  • 2000 BMW 323ci (US Spec) complete list of changes needed not known yet, but assuming the lights also need to be converted, however taking care of the 330i first. (E46 Class Vehicle)


Parking spots for both vehicles can be obtained while parts are being gathered.

Can anyone help me identify the parts that I need to do the conversion? I would be happy to supply the vehicle information.

I assume that the E46 Class vehicle refers to the chassis that the car is made on, but I'm not sure.
TexMunich
Send me a PM with the VIN #'s and I will forward to a friend at BMW. You will also need the technical data sheets from BMW to give to the TUV. These have the original OEM parts the car came with along with the emissions (What Euro emissions classification) / Max weight data. The dealer will charge for these, anywhere from 50 - 100 Euro. The dealer orders them from BMW HQ.

Did the TUV tell you about the rear fog lights you will need?

For garages your best bet is to ask around with friends and neighbors for a mechanic who works on BMWs. Go talk with him, he may have experience on conversions or knows someone who does. If your lucky he's done it before and has an "in" at the local TUV.

For parts start here, but confirm with dealer.

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/select.do

If dealer won't release the parts list go find another dealer.
Devo
I thought that I would piggyback off of the topic this guy started. I am moving to Germany next year in March and I have a BMW 330i that is American but manufactured in Germany and I definitely want to bring my car over with me. However, my situation is a little different than the OP.

I am currently in the UK and the lights have already gone through a conversion for me to drive it in the UK. Is this sufficient or will I have to get them done again when I come to Germany? I also plan on buying some aftermarket lights for it soon. Does this mean that they need to have the ECE logo on them? Does this need to be stamped on them? What about the tail lights? Do they need to have the ECE logo as well? Basically, I guess I'm asking if ALL of the lights that I plan to replace need to have the ECE logo on them.

Thanks for any help.
Darkknight
UK = Europe, so the lights you converted to should be fine..
Kommentarlos
UK = Other side of the road = yes as the lights are set up differently and the rear fog light has to be at the other side = idiotic previous post. cool.gif
TexMunich
Not so fast. I assume your car is LHD (Left hand drive)? Are the lights you installed LHD or RHD? If you installed RHD, since your in the UK, you will have to change them to LHD in Germany. Your not just visiting but moving? If you're lucky there are some BMW lights that have a switch that can switch them between LHD & RHD. I don't know where the switch is or what models have them, but I'm sure there are some BMW mechanics in the UK who do.
Devo
Yes, my car is LHD and Yes I will be moving to Germany.

The lights were never physically changed, I am the one that is going to change them. To be honest, I really don't know what it is that they do during the "light conversion".

I will ask a BMW mechanic here, but I guess I more so wanted to know of others that have made mods to their bimmers who may be able to help me out. Thanks anyways!
TexMunich
Since your car is already registered in the UK you may get lucky bringing it to Germany. Maybe the TUV won't give it the ECE stamp check. If they do then you'll need to replace them with ECE lights.
Devo
See that's what I'm thinking, but I'm also thinking that it might be a more "detailed" check seen as to how I wanna put some aftermarket lights on it. Anyone know where in Germany (preferably a website) that I can buy some aftermarket BMW lights?
dastdx1847
QUOTE (TexMunich @ Aug 14 2008, 4:36 pm) *
Not so fast. I assume your car is LHD (Left hand drive)? Are the lights you installed LHD or RHD? If you installed RHD, since your in the UK, you will have to change them to LHD in Germany. Your not just visiting but moving? If you're lucky there are some BMW lights that have a switch that can switch them between LHD & RHD. I don't know where the switch is or what models have them, but I'm sure there are some BMW mechanics in the UK who do.

The way it was explained to me is this...

The US Spec Model has the "Standlichte" or Parking lights as I know them... with the blinker system... they are together in the US specs and by default they are always "on".
The EU Spec has the "Standlicht" or Parking lights in the headlight system which are "off" by default.

When you turn on your blinker in the US Spec, the relay switches cuts the power "off" and back to "on".
Since by default in the EU spec they are always "off" and are only activated when you turn them "on".

Parking lights (Standlicht) need to be white.
Turn Signals need to be yellow.

I clarified this with the TUV guy this morning via telephone.
Since the US SPEC car has them together, they have to be on separate light bulb systems.

I hope this helps you in your journey... mine is extremely frustrating because the car operates perfectly... and changing things can screw that up. sad.gif

Not sure how the computer will react to the change, but I suspect that it will illuminate the warning lights showing a problem with the lighting system.
Devo
Thanks for the help. I'll have a talk with the BMW guys here.
dastdx1847
No problem... I hope it helps you avoid the problems that I'm having. Tex has been a huge help... I owe him at least a case of beer, maybe a truckload after this is all done. smile.gif
one51
Interesting, what kind of BMW's? I have an American M Roadster. Had no trouble to get it registered.

I recommend to get a Tiefgarage and not just park on the street, not sure that it's legal to park an unregistered car on the street. If you do I'd put a cover over it to make it hard to see that there are no plates on there.
TexMunich
Info sent to you in PM and via Yahoo.

Good luck.
angelbeast
QUOTE (kitkat64 @ Aug 14 2008, 1:20 pm) *
Sorry, Darkknight. All BMW 3 series are made in Germany, most right here in Munich - including US spec ones. All BMW X5s and Z4s are made in South Carolina(for US and European etc markets).

off topic, just a piece of information.

All the 3 series cars are made in Regensburg plant (just visited the plant yesterday) X5's are indeed made in US, but the Z4 is touted to start production in Regensburg plant from Jan-09.

EDIT: I stand corrected, 3 series sedan and station wagon are produced in Munich.
US-328
I have a US spec 1999 328si (E46) that I purchased in the UK a few years ago. I recently moved to Germany and am now going through the process of getting it registered here. I spoke to TÜV SÜD and they said I needed to do the following:

1. Get a Technisches Datenblatt (Technical Specification) from BMW Munich. My local BMW dealer said they can get this for me for 150.00. I am wondering if I can get this via another channel for a lower price- any ideas?
2. Convert the headlights to European spec. The lights also have to be able to be electronically adjusted from inside the car. The light switch therefore also needs to be changed as the US model didn't have this option.
3. Ensure the tires are European rated and speed rated for the car.
4. Convert the orange daytime lights to white. This is the toughest and proabably costliest item. The turm signals need to be orange, but the running lights must be white in Germany. Somehow I have to rewire the running lights to the main headlights. I have looked in different forums for solutions, but it doesn't seem there is a simple fix here... can anyone help here?

Thanks,

Stephen
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