Nazi march in Neukölln, 1pm Saturday 23.Aug.2008

The Nazis are planning a march on Saturday August 23, beginning at UBahn Blaschkoallee on the U7. They are protesting the construction of Hindu temples in Neukölln. Let's go down there and tell them how we feel about their rancid nationalist bullshit! Anti-fas are meeting at 12:00. The march begins at 13:00 and supposedly will go to Hermannplatz. Exercise caution, and generally be careful. I am sure there will be a million cops there, but better safe than sorry.

Hope to see a lot of English speaking Berliners there to tell these suckas where to stick it.

Do you mean the Nazis or the Hindus?

Brilliant - got to be the post of the year on TT!

I support the OP 100%, but what a superb and spot on comment.

thank goodness there is never a short supply of smart-assery on Toytown

Lets get this straight before it descends into nonsense - I'm 100% behind your anti-fascist campaign - nothing I hate more than right wingers (including capitalists - just to wind up certain TTers).

However the point made was indeed superb - there are many proponents of nationalism, and I personally think nationalism in all forms is garbage and a source of many of the world's evils. Nothing I hate worse than flag waving and national anthem singing.

So lets take on the right-wingers, skinheads and boot boys at every opportunity, but keep perspective that while there are a few hundred neo-nazi idiots in Berlin, there are millions of nationalists in India and Pakistan (among other regions), who are committing daily atrocities in the name of their nationalist viewpoints.

Again, go get the bastards, and I mean that for real.

point well made, colin, however I don't know if the point originally made byLeCham wasn't nit-picking in the name of nit-picking...or at least extracting the one vantage point of where he/she could say something cute

I am sure he/she will clear it up for us...

Maybe so (this is Toytown after all, so nit-picking is to be expected), but I still like it, and it's got an interesting topic moving.

trust, I am with you...nationalism in any form is bogus...and no discounting the crap people of all faiths/governmental constructs/politic affiliations/economic classes impose on one another all over the world everyday...I suppose (and I don't know where the original poster lives, but I live in Neukölln, not far from Hermannplatz in a predominantly Arab/Turkish/Kurdish/poor-white-German neighborhood) when these bald crackers (for whatever reason) come through my neighborhood with their crap, it opens my eyes to the immediacy of even a couple of hundred of them...

Excuse me, but could you please inform me when exactly Hinduism, a belief system based on tolerance, become Nationalistic?

...the day I wanted to visit a Hindu temple in Puri, Orissa.

Still don't get you. I've been to Puri too. I remember Jagannath being pretty popular there and, like all Hindi deities, open to one and all.

"Chaos prevailed in the Jagannath temple at Puri on 7th November 2007, following the presence of three Indonesia-based International Society of Krishna Consciousness (Iskcon) devotees, including two women inside the shrine precinct. A group of temple priests alleged that the trio was non-Hindus. The 12th century Jagannath temple does not allow non-Hindus into its premise."
http://religion.info/english/articles/article_347.shtml

I don't know how reliable the above source is but it fully reflects my experience there. You have no idea what you are talking about and what you write is trife and drivel. I was not allowed in to Jagannath temple.

If you don't want to put time into reading up on the history, maybe just spend a couple of hours watching the film "Gandhi", directed by Richard Attenboroug in 1982. Yes it's Hollywood, but it will at least lead you into an initial understanding as to what is happening in that region these days, and you will start to understanding the reasoning behind the comments on this thread.

Unfortunately, so many "belief systems", to use your term have been the source of the major atrocities in the human race down through the ages. Now before people get going, I will say that I am not an atheist, and have an open mind on spiritual things. However I have an abhorrence of organised religion, and find that every one that I have come in contact with, is hypocritical and divisive, and it is in this context that I made my comment earlier - not being judgmental about the basis of Hinduism or any other religion, but rather how the organisers and proponents of such "belief systems" use and abuse peoples beliefs and trust to further either personal goals or political positions not in any way related to the "belief system" (why should a Hindu care who runs Kashmir? What has that got to do with the Hindu belief system ?).

I can make the same points about Catholicism and Protestantism in Ireland and Great Britain, Muslims and Christians in Turkey, Muslims, Jews, Christians in the Palestine/Israel regions, etc...

By the way, we have rather hijacked this thread, which is really about making people aware of the march of the thugs this weekend. I suggest moving the issue of nationalism/religion to another thread, and let this thread continue to focus on the neo-nazi march.

One comment I would make on confronting the idiots/thugs, is this: Do people think that confronting them is the most effective approach? After all these low life imbeciles are in general looking for confrontation and an excuse to engage in violence - and of course that is the only reason that most of the media turn up. I know it would be difficult to organise, but imagine if the prats had their march and there was nobody there except them and the cops - they would of course most likely then take on the cops, as there would be nobody else to fight. No media there to report it, and the cops beat the crap out of them - maybe they'll go back to their hovels and not bother to come out again for a while.

To get back to the original post: where are counter-demonstrators (eg anti-fascists) meeting? Also at the ubahn station?

I hate religion but I hate the Nazis even more.

How would you know? You only joined 44 minutes earlier.

I think maybe he knew because you don't have to be a member to read the posts...

I'm all for being anti Natzi and all that but I just hope this stops with a march.

The antifashists in my area have caused such a bloddy mess. In one street pretty much every inanimate object is covered in anti-Nazi graffiti. It's bizarre as there is absolutely no Nazi graffti.

Nice of you to let Editor Bob know about that possibility.

Simple: If you give an inch, they will take a mile. There's a limit to tolerance too (It applies to any other country).

@LeChamois It is 'trife and drivel' to make crass generalizations for sake of appearing erudite. I'm sure it was unintended, but your comment smacks of the sort of sensationalism which purports eg: a person following the Nation of Islam is, by definition, a terrorist. It's as unhelpful as it is absurd. If you intended to take a witty stab at the RSS perhaps you should have defined yourself more clearly.
I am not a fan of organized religion either but, nor am I a fan of those who make sweeping judgements on belief, history and politics based on their own pseudo enlightened values.

The Jagannath temple's closure to non-hindu's may well be draconian and old fashioned (as pretty much all religious institutions are) but does not, for one minute, equal comparison to Nazism, and the construction of a new Hindu temple doesn't either. Hinduism, is inclusivist rather than exclusivist by nature, if you wish to devote yourself to Jagannath you are free to do so and if you don't, well, that's fine and dandy also - this is clearly at odds with the tenets of Nazism, whose march today was, I truly hope, an insignificant waste of time.

Does anyone know there is a huge Mosque coming up in Munich Sendling soon the construction going to start.Seems the Nazis are not aware about this or all the the Nazis in Bayern converted themselves to Islam! or they make a veranstaltung with those cool Turk girls.
Buddhist and Hindus are more peaceful people.The temple in Köln is made for poor Hindu's from Afghanisthan who don't even have the rights to make a temple in their own country again Islam!
For more details
http://www.wdr.de/themen/kultur/religion/h...pel_koeln.jhtml

The Nazis had no problems with Muslims ... thousands of whom served in German uniforms during WW II, particularly in the predominantly Muslim 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) with the blessings of Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem

So was Tommy Cooper as Muslim or a Nazi?

Depended which way he turned.

anything happen at this then or was it the usual ritualised affair?

The Police were very well organised and kept all potential meeting/clashing grounds totaly separated. It bubbled for a minute when a few kids broke the police line but the old bill quickly put a stop to it. I need not actually see one Fascist and though tried to discover their starting point, failed to police presence, all in all pretty uneventful but a solid show of disgust from those marching.

Anyone march against the anti-fascists?

And what do you think this achieved?

The AntiFas i came across growing up began really going on my nerves at
14 or 15 years old. Dogmatism that hurts. Especially the "Antideutsche Linke".
Listening to SLIME and babbling 90% bullshit. And i partially went through this phase.
"Deutschland muss sterben, damit wir leben können!"
"Scheiß system, weg mit dem". "Bullenstaat!" blah blah blah...

I don't need an AntiFa label to have common sense against Facists.
I wouldn't put myself under their label just to demonstrate. And i would not march under their flag.
Their attitude is lacking credibility and makes those demos look stupid IMHO.
Right Nutters against left Nutters.

I agree, the front line of the procession kids (Black Panther hooded & shaded apparel crew) really took them selves overly serous. I was asked several times to delete photographs and received a few hands to cover the face gestures as I was shooting).
I think any show of solidarity is reassuring to those on the receiving end of fascist hatred. I photographed a Muslim lady over looking her balcony near the planned development of the Hindu temple and can Imagine she would rather see, a bunch of Anti’s over a bunch of Nazi thugs. I guess it achieved inhibiting the Nazis movement and kept them under the rocks they live under.

About as much as your usual shuffling parade of ver.di local government workers with their hand out again.

Who are "the nazis" ?

And why are you so quick to call them such?

My pleasure...

Re: Cosine

The march was planned by the NPD, the extreme right wing party in Germany who comes from the National Socialist tradition. They can't call themselves Nazis technically, but that's who they are.

Long live Secularism...but it also brings in Terrorism.