Keydeck
Dec 12 2002, 9:44 am
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German police have arrested a 41-year-old suspected of killing and dismembering another man he met on the internet. The suspect killed the victim by stabbing him in the throat, prosecutors said. He allegedly chopped the body into pieces, deep-froze parts of it and buried the rest. He later ate much of the flesh
hoddysded
Dec 12 2002, 9:50 am
You've left out the most gruesome aspect of this bizarre crime though Keydeck...on the video tape it shows the victim, while alive, willingly eating his own severed penis with the killer.
That's some fucked up shit man.
mr munich
Dec 12 2002, 9:54 am
With that image in my mind, I dont think I can ever eat Currywurst again...
Elfenstar
Dec 12 2002, 4:18 pm
sorry, don't believe one word. whoever answers such an advertisement is fuuuuucked up. does the "victim" realize he will be dead?
Keydeck
Dec 12 2002, 5:49 pm
"The murder suspect was described by neighbours as a pleasant and polite man who kept to himself. "
Aren't they always! Gruesome murderers are hardly ever flamboyant outgoing types.
hoddysded
Dec 12 2002, 5:54 pm
He probably thought he might as well be dead after he let his own member get chopped off and turned into a kebab.
It's a legit. story Elf. It's all over the news. 5 loonies (and one police officer) answered this guy's ad! When they searched his home they found he had turned one room into a butchering station. Something similar happened a few years back in the states. Some woman met a guy online, they struck up a "relationship" and before you know it she's travelling halfway across the country to willingly be murdered.
An extreme masochist I guess.
Malcolm Spudbury
Dec 15 2002, 4:41 pm
Here's a link to the posting that the guy wrote on Usenet when he was looking for someone to eat:
ich bin Franky aus Deutschland
Malcolm Spudbury
Dec 15 2002, 4:42 pm
hoddysded
Dec 18 2002, 10:06 pm
Thank God Armin isn't my boyfriend. I think most German men prefer to eat their women. :twisted:
What boggles my mind is how the guy didn`t bleed to death after he had it chopped and the $64,000 dollar question is, how did they cook it? A nice cream sauce or with white wine and shallots? Don't tell me they were typical Germans and boiled it! :shock:
Katrina
Dec 3 2003, 11:26 am
Hmmm. That isn't a particularly good article about the subject, try this one instead:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3286721.stmI would also advise that those without a strong stomach avoid reading German articles on this trial as the exact details of the case are extremely disturbing and graphic (I read the report in Stern about it along with the interview in Die Welt), the death was in fact filmed and this film will be shown in court. As the court is an open public one (which is part of the German consititution) further details surrounding the case will come to light so you have been warned.
Legally the case is a very interesting one though and is likely to form significant case law (questions concerning assisted sucicide, the difference between murder and unlawful killing and so on).
Well, sales of Wicks Medi-Nait have increased dramatically since the event (the deceased drank a bottle of this plus alcohol as an anaesthetic)...
Katrina
Katrina
Dec 3 2003, 12:38 pm
*WARNING - GRIM DETAILS FOLLOW*
Hi
I understand it as follows:
Herr Meiwes flambéed it and then complained that it shrivelled, was tough and did not taste nice. They *both* ate some, Mr Brandes remaining in the bath bleeding copiously whilst eating. I believe that he used porcini mushrooms and garlic in the dish as well, he had got an ill-advised recipe off the internet apparently. The eating of said item was a specific wish of the deceased and is part of the legal defence of the accused. Herr Meiwes police statement contained the complaint that Herr Brandes was much older than he would have liked and therefore not very tender, he would have preferred someone younger. Herr Meiwes also had previously had young men visit his home to be wrapped in cellophane and be labled with the names of various cuts of meats on the relevant part, something which also appears in the defence statement.
I *did* warm everyone.
Katrina
Homer J.
Dec 3 2003, 2:54 pm
What's more disturbing, though, the canibal or the guy who volunteered? Some of the articles said that his (canabal) father never paid attention to him and he watched too many horror films. But, what would drive someone to volunteer to be killed and eaten and in the process eat your own penis. That is messed up. I think I am a bit more fascinated by the guy who volunteered. To me, he seems like he had more issues than the canabal and that's not an easy accomplishment. Any thoughts? Anyone know who to start a poll on this?
beans
Dec 3 2003, 3:39 pm
Ummm...
All do respect Homer J, I think starting poll/thread/topic on the internet regarding this subject is what started the whole thing in the first place, yeah?
You're not hungry by any chance, are you?
Homer J.
Dec 3 2003, 3:59 pm
Yikes, Beans, I didn't mean it that way. I am just wondering if people think the guy who volunteered seems more disturbed than the canabal. It's an interesting social topic if you are able to step back and look at. I definitely don't approve of it, but these cases do give good insight into the human mind and why deviant behavior occurs. My point was that in this case, there were 2 deviant behaviors at work, I was just wondering which person people viewed as more deviant.
MysteryMan
Dec 3 2003, 4:11 pm
On a fucked up scale of fuckedupness from 0 to 100 (0 being normal). The guy who died would be 100% fucked up and the guy on trial 99.99999999999% fucked up. Negligible difference except to the people who are interested in the difference.
Uncle Jamal
Dec 3 2003, 4:14 pm
Quite - at the end of the day they are a couple of freaks who are mightily fucked up. Nowt social about it.
Keydeck
Dec 3 2003, 4:17 pm
It would have been anti-social if the host hadn't cooked it before serving it up.
Uncle Jamal
Dec 3 2003, 4:22 pm
Or omitted the mushrooms...
beans
Dec 3 2003, 4:32 pm
My sympathies are with the meal, personally. To give it all up like that, sorrow! The diner was really in control, knew what he was doing and I really wonder about that video! Will we see it? I doubt it.
mdfbayern
Dec 3 2003, 4:41 pm
I personally find it very hard to believe that cabbage did not play some small part in the final dish - it appears in every other f*cking dish served up here !!
Malcolm Spudbury
Dec 3 2003, 5:34 pm
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I really wonder about that video! Will we see it? I doubt it.
It will without doubt appear on one of the seedier sites on the internet before long.
Keydeck
Dec 3 2003, 5:42 pm
Under the title "Free Willy 4" perhaps.
MysteryMan
Dec 4 2003, 12:32 pm
From Ananova:
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'Meiwes said of the penis severing "It was important to him that his member be cut off and that he witness it. It gave him pleasure." '
Did he get a hard on I wonder?
Uncle Jamal
Dec 4 2003, 2:21 pm
Buuagh, gross. Man, it's gross. Sick fuck.
Can someone who reads better German than I (or just someone who is less lazy than I) post up the latest please?
acquascutum
Dec 4 2003, 5:58 pm
cannibalism is not illegal in germany but a bit of a taboo subject in some quarters as it brought back memories of stalingrad where the germans tucked into one another to pass the winter months.
jeremy
Dec 5 2003, 1:02 pm
Right then,
What is funny about this case apart from its weirdness is the fact that the German legal system can't cope with two consenting adults who undertook this transaction. I believed there was a law for absolutely everything in Germany until now!
Any Toytowners got any idea how this case would pan out in the UK? Anyone out there with an O level in Law or something?

who can give us any idea of what the Old Bailey would do with two guys (one deceased) who say for example were good mates and somewhat pissed in the pub one day and one said "Hey Bud, I would like to eat you!" then the other just said "Okay" and allowed him to do it.
Jeremy.
Keydeck
Dec 5 2003, 1:06 pm
Doesn't that fall into the whole assisted-suicide area? As far as I know it's a no-no.
Jimbo
Dec 5 2003, 1:11 pm
Oh, it's a big no-no, and I do believe murder charges would be brought against him in England, and probably it would stick. The method of the killing and so forth suggest to me that England wouldn't like to see this go as assisted suicide. Plus the mental state of the deceased - surely it was clear that he was a fruit-loop and therefore couldn't rationally decided on suicide.
Of course, the accused is probably mad so he would wind up in a mental hospital for a very, very, very long time...
(I have something like an advanced O-level in law by the way Jezza)
AquaticMeringue
Dec 5 2003, 1:44 pm
Well if the blokes were pissed, I suspect it wouldn't legally count as consent anyway.
But there have been a number of people in the UK who suffered from terminal illnesses, and who have flown to Switzerland for assisted suicide. Some people have even pushed to legalise it in the UK, although I doubt that'll happen.
But if you can get away with that, and cannibalism isn't illegal, I'm sure you could end up with theoretical scenarios whereby people could get away with eating each other.
Jimbo
Dec 5 2003, 1:52 pm
That's also very true - it is, for example, technically rape if you have sex with a lady and she's had a few too many and she could be judged to be demonstrably out of control of herself.
So hard to prove though, at what point one is too drunk to be able to give rational consent, and normally the prime witness is your accused, so you can forget it unless it's a last resort.
It's also rape if you pretend to be somebody else - guy was charged for pretending to be somebody famous, and was convicted of rape.
Keydeck
Dec 9 2003, 10:49 am
Latest update...
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'I sought more volunteers to eat' says cannibal
A German computer expert who has confessed to killing and eating a man he ate on the internet has told his murder trial he sought more volunteers.
Armin Meiwes, 42, told the state court in Kassel he looked for willing victims through internet adverts and chat rooms.
He made the enquiries after the March 2001 killing of 43-year-old engineer Bernd Juergen Brandes at his home.
He testified that he had e-mail contact with a person using the pseudonym "Albineu" who had volunteered.
Meiwes went on trial last Wednesday, offering a detailed confession.
His victim, he testified, said he wanted to be stabbed to death after drinking a bottle of cold medicine to lose consciousness.
The defendant has said he stabbed Brandes the next morning, believing he was already dead, and recorded his act on a videotape.
He said today he had been "disappointed" in some aspects, telling the court that "Bernd was not 36, as he claimed" and hadn't wanted to spend more time getting to know him.
After Meiwes finished testifying, the five-judge panel removed the public from the courtroom as it viewed excerpts from the tape.
Prosecutors say the killing was sexually motivated and filed murder charges, despite concluding that the killing had the victim's consent.
Meiwes could face a maximum sentence of life in prison if convicted.
Meiwes's lawyer argues that the death was instead a form of mercy killing - which would carry a maximum five-year sentence. A verdict is expected in February.
Lietschie
Dec 9 2003, 11:10 am
two cannibals eating a clown...one says to the other 'does this taste funny to you?'
Jimbo
Dec 9 2003, 11:12 am
Isn't that two cannibals eating a clown?
jeremy
Dec 9 2003, 2:08 pm
Okay...so he met this guy in a chat room on the 'Net.
Am I innocent or what or just haven't a clue?
What kind of newsgroup or chat room would you go to in order to eat someone?
alt.recipes.humans?
Is there a Yahoo group for cannibals?
Jeremy.
Malcolm Spudbury
Dec 9 2003, 2:12 pm
Google still have his usenet posts in their archives. See the links I posted earlier in the thread.
Keydeck
Dec 11 2003, 2:09 pm
Militant Vegetarians really get on my tits!!! Humans are carnivorous mammals. It's what we are. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact. Simple and true. Be a vegetarian if you want, but don't be such a pain in the arse about it.
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Germany's self-confessed cannibal killer Armin Meiwes has been sent a vegetarian cookbook and a Christmas hamper full of veggie burgers and tofu.
Animals rights group Peta (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) is behind the stunt and says it would be a major coup if it could convert Meiwes to vegetarianism.
Meiwes is on trial for killing, dismembering and eating the flesh of another man.
He has admitted killing and eating his victim, but denies it was murder. Peta is hoping the mouth-watering recipes in the book and the hamper of vegetarian foods will persuade him to mend his ways.
The vegetarian starter kit was sent to Meiwes' prison cell in the town of Kassel, where the trial is taking place.
Peta spokesman Juergen Faulmann said: "What this man did to a German computer expert is done to other creatures every day.
"The cruel scenario of slaughtering, cutting up, portioning, freezing and eating of body parts is the grim reality for more than 450 million sentient individuals that are killed in this country every year."
"People who eat meat feel disgusted by human flesh. Vegetarians feel disgusted by any sort of meat."
MysteryMan
Dec 11 2003, 2:11 pm
That put's those fucks in PETA in the same league as the sicko. Oh wait, they were securely there already.
jenntastic
Dec 15 2003, 4:39 am
What does flambee mean? Is this roasting? Boiling ---- such a gross idea??? Sauteing? It sounds like saute --- oil in a pan. Is this right??? This guy was sick!
mdfbayern
Dec 19 2003, 9:35 am
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Moeller said his fantasies to be killed and butchered evaporated
Just how many of these sick fcuks are there in this damn country ??
Keydeck
Dec 19 2003, 9:49 am
It's not fair to link it to this country. It's going on all over the place. Pick any country and there's plenty of them to be found.
mdfbayern
Dec 30 2003, 10:27 am
Latest Update -
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Cannibal is sane court told
A German who confessed to killing a man and eating his flesh is in good mental health, but should be given psychotherapy, according to a prison psychiatrist who testified at his murder trial.
Armin Meiwes, 42, lacks empathy and self-control but should be considered healthy, said Heinrich Wilmer.
He said said Meiwes needs psychotherapy, but did not need to be kept in a psychiatric institute.
Meiwes went on trial in Kassel earlier this month and confessed in detail to the March 2001 killing of 43-year-old engineer Bernd Juergen Brandes at his home.
He told the court that he subsequently looked for further willing victims through Internet adverts and chat rooms.
Wilmer declined to comment on whether he believed Meiwes might reoffend.
Prosecutors say the killing was sexually motivated and filed murder charges, despite concluding that the killer had the victim's consent. Meiwes faces life in prison if convicted.
Meiwes' lawyer argues that it was a form of mercy killing, which would carry a maximum five year sentence. A verdict is expected in February.
Police tracked down and arrested Meiwes after a student in Austria alerted them to an advertisement Meiwes had placed on the Internet seeking a man willing to be killed and eaten.
michnic
Dec 30 2003, 10:52 am
Okay, if he's not insane then I don't know what insane is.
dog_oocl
Jan 1 2004, 9:40 am
I think the best recipe for cooking penis is from the China, the ox penis is prized meal for them (aphrodisiac). Sliced it up thickly, then stew them in Chinese herb (don't ask me what, as I have no idea, but any decent Chinese medicinal herb shop should be able to help) with chicken stock, until meat tender, then add salt & pepper to taste.
Or, the simpler way, slice it thinly and stir fry with seasonal vegetable, with oyster sauce, or if U prefer a bit spicy, a touch of chilly sauce could be added.
Any other suggestion?
Keydeck
Jan 23 2004, 3:12 pm
The latest on this...
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The German cannibal who confessed to killing a man and eating his flesh is incapable of showing "warm and tender feelings" towards other people, but is not mentally ill, a court heard.
Armin Meiwes, 42, has a "schizoid personality" and difficulty in forming relationships, psychiatrist Georg Stolpmann told the state court in Kassel.
He said: "What we have here is an inability to have warm and tender feelings towards others. There is no indication of mental illness."
He said Meiwes is fully fit to face trial - an assessment shared by other experts who have testified.
Mr Stolpmann described Meiwes as a "calm and balanced" prisoner who enjoyed the publicity he was getting.
When his murder trial opened last month, Meiwes confessed in detail to the March 2001 killing of 43-year-old Bernd Juergen Brandes at his home.
Brandes, who had travelled from Berlin after answering his advert, wanted to be stabbed to death after drinking a bottle of cold medicine to lose consciousness, Meiwes testified. Prosecutors say the killing was sexually motivated and filed murder charges against Meiwes despite concluding that the killer had the victim's consent.
If convicted of murder, Meiwes could face life in prison. But his attorney argues that it was a form of mercy killing which would carry a maximum five year sentence.
Meiwes has told the court that following Brandes' death, he looked for further willing victims through internet ads and chatrooms.
Police tracked down and arrested him after a student in Austria alerted them to an advertisement Meiwes had placed on the Internet seeking a man willing to be killed and eaten. A verdict in the trial is expected next Friday.
Granny
Jan 23 2004, 3:18 pm
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The German cannibal who confessed to killing a man and eating his flesh is incapable of showing "warm and tender feelings" towards other people, but is not mentally ill, a court heard.
Munich shop assistants have the same trait!
Keydeck
Jan 26 2004, 5:32 pm
Latest...
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The German cannibal who confessed to killing a man he met over the internet and eating his flesh has told his murder trial judges: "I had my big kick and I don't need to do it again."
In his closing statement Armin Meiwes, 42, also stated his victim "came to me of his own free will to end his life. For him, it was a nice death."
Miewes, who is expecting a verdict on Friday, said. "I regret it all very much, but I can't undo it."
Prosecutor Marcus Koehler said Meiwes should spend life behind bars for murder.
He said he acted simply to "satisfy a sexual impulse" and filmed himself dismembering the victim before he ate him so he could "admire himself as a human butcher."
Meiwes, Mr Koehler said, considered eating his victim as a kind of twisted "communion."
Defence lawyer Harald Ermel argued that the death was "homicide on demand" - a form of mercy killing - because the victim had given his consent to be killed and eaten. That would carry a maximum five year prison sentence.
When his trial opened last month at the state court in the central city of Kassel, Meiwes confessed in detail to the March 2001 killing of 43-year-old Bernd Juergen Brandes at his home in the nearby town of Rotenburg.
He said Brandes, who travelled from Berlin after answering Meiwes' internet postings, wanted to be stabbed to death after drinking a bottle of cold medicine to lose consciousness.
A grisly video Meiwes made of the act was shown to the court in a closed session earlier in the trial. A doctor testified that Brandes died from loss of blood and that the medication, along with a half-bottle of liquor and 20 sleeping pills he took beforehand, could not have lessened his pain.
Keydeck
Jan 30 2004, 10:22 am
And so it's been decided...
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A German cannibal who confessed to killing, dismembering and eating another man has been sentenced to eight-and-a-half years in prison for manslaughter.
Armin Meiwes was cleared of murder. The verdict brings to a close one of the most macabre court cases in recent Germany history.
He had admitted killing and eating engineer Bend-Juergen Brandes, but said his victim had consented to his own gruesome death.
The jury heard how Meiwes met Brandes after advertising on the internet for "young men for real slaughter and consumption".
The pair ate the engineer's penis before Meiwes carved the body into pieces, stored 66 pounds of flesh in a freezer and buried bones and the skull in the garden, the court heard.
On the second day of the trial, the court viewed three 90-minute home videos showing the March 10, 2001 death, dissection and consumption of Brandes.
Meiwes told the court that he met five other potential victims but did not eat them for various reasons - either they were too fat, too old, backed down or appeared unfriendly.
The court also heard how the 42-year-old computer technician was trying to find a second person to eat after devouring his first victim.
jeremy
Jan 30 2004, 10:33 am
I want to know what he will eat in prison.
"Nehmen Sie Beef zum Essen heute?". "Nein, ich will ein Person."
jordigo
Jan 30 2004, 10:36 am
news made it across the channel...
randy
Jan 30 2004, 5:20 pm
I like Fark's headline on the story:
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Cannibal guilty of manslaughter. In other news, German prison population expected to fall in next 10 years
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